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michaela bowden  
#161 Posted : 07 September 2010 18:38:44(UTC)
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Many thanks for the information shallcross,  were you follow the path to get to errwood ruin you go up some steps I did notice white stone walls & I have read that this area was a private swimming area can you verify if thats correct.  castedge farm to the left there is what looks like a man made wall but it almost has a complete doorway, could this have been used for some sort of barn for cattle. shallcross you don't happen to have the name of the farmer that worked this farm. 

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#162 Posted : 07 September 2010 18:48:52(UTC)
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Michaela

Castedge Farm house did have a barn attached to the house, maybe it's that you can see, If you get a copy of Goyt Valley Romance by Gerald Hancock or / and Goyt Valley Miner Errwood Hall & Castedge Pit  by Kevin Dranfield you will find pictures and articles about Castedge Farm & Mine.

Just read the rest

There was a Swimming Pool

The Edge Family worked Castedge Farm and Hewitts were at Shooters Clough Cottage they also operated the Castedge Mine

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#163 Posted : 10 September 2010 19:12:29(UTC)
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Many Thanks for the information.
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#164 Posted : 05 November 2010 17:57:32(UTC)
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Good evening, Well Known Norm,
 
I just mentioned on another thread that I have unearthed a few photos detailing a journey from The Cat and Fiddle down to Ladmanlow.
This also takes into account a visit to Errwood Hall and this is one of the photos showing the drive.
I’m fairly certain it has not been on here previously and perhaps you could capture the image and put it on to your superb website that we are all so pleased with.
 
Oh, just while I am thinking about it, did Holly ever come back to say thank you for all your help or even let you know whether she had passed or failed her exams.
Perhaps she thought it was all a load of rubbish in the end and did a course on bricklaying.
Maybe she dropped out altogether and is now partaking in the rather distasteful smudging business.
Perhaps she is in close contact with Horwich Ender.
 
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#165 Posted : 06 November 2010 18:40:01(UTC)
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Hi R.S-S

I wonder what happened to Holly as well, oh well.

I have put the drive on the Errwood section of the website, under Pictures.

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#166 Posted : 18 September 2011 14:38:54(UTC)
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Hi,

A forum member sent through the following article on the old Burial ground at Errwood taken from the 'Reporter' Apr 4th 1936.

 

 

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Below is an extract from a book published in 1877 I think it captures finely in words something that we have now lost, even in the late1920s the grounds were becoming a little neglected but now many of the rhododendrons and azalea have now been overrun by  the wild pink/purple colour, the definate structure of colour balance that the Grimshawes sought to achieve has gone, also the scents are described in a way that you can Imagine leaning over those white pillars on the terrace yourself, amongst the sight and scent of 40,000 mature shrubs in full bloom and after been planted for 30 years, at their peak, well I can anyway! 

The Queen of the Peak, or Buxton in 1877.      By C.S. Devis.   
 
 
Half-an-hour’s sharp walking brought us to the lodge gates of Errwood Hall.    Passing up the winding drive we at length arrived opposite the mansion, a modern building in the Italian style, which stands upon a commanding eminence at the junction of two dales.    Leaning over the white pillars of its noble terrace, we looked down upon the far-famed valley whence we had descended.    From the summit of its sloping sides to the banks of its brawling streamlet, basked myriads of rhododendrons, whose gorgeous blooms flushing in the sunlight, glowed like those phosphoric fires of chameleon hue which ride upon the heaving waves of the starlit ocean.    Of every tint—from the deep Tyrian dye of Imperial purple to the faintest blush that ever flitted across a maiden’s velvet cheek were they.     Relieved by the sombre tones of the yew and the holly, perfumed by the fragrant odours of the woodbine and azalea, carpeted by the feathery fern and waving foxglove ; the lark that poured forth his hymn of praise far up the blue empyrean, had seen nothing under heaven to equal this, his native vale ; and whilst drinking in its varied beauties, I registered a mental vow to perform (deo volente) an annual pilgrimage to the Home of the Rhododendron in the Valley of the Goyt.
Having visited the mausoleum chapel which stands upon the summit of a hill above the Hall, and from whence extended views of hill and moorland can be obtained, we repaired to our carriage, and were soon bowling through the Goyt Valley, following the course of the stream in the direction of Taxal and Whaley.
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Memories of Errwood Hall and the Goyt Valley from the 1950’s.
 
The last paragraph reinforces what Shallcross outlined in his recent post about the positioning of the suspension bridge.
 
I shall put this article on both The Flooding of the Goyt Valley and Errwood Hall threads just for Well Known Norm’s benefit he can then place them on both subjects on his marvellous web site that is now certainly a credit to him and Whaley Bridge.
 
R. S-S
 
 
 
Peakland
 
Crichton Porteous     1954
 
Goyt Recollections
 
Behind where the hamlet was is Errwood Valley and relicts of Errwood Hall.    The last occupiers were two old ladies who used to drive regularly in a carriage and pair down the Goyt Valley by a sandy road (most of it now under Fernilee Reservoir) to the Long Hill road and so to Whaley Bridge or Buxton.    Between the wars the house was still well kept up.    Then the sisters died—they were the last of their line—and for a short time the Hall was a hostel for ramblers.    At my next visit it was being dismantled because of the reservoir scheme.    Contractors had paid a lump sum for what they wanted.    The best stone had been taken, the rest left, and none who see what is there now can for any proper idea of the beautiful old home.
It was a double-winged house with a central tower, all standing on a broad terrace looking south.    At the east end in the upper storey of a long extension was the private chapel.    At the west end of the house a French window gave into a terraced garden.    Wide steps led tot he front entrance.    Over it was a proud stone dragon, and above the tower a proud metal dragon told the way of the wind.    The dragon was the crest of the original Grimshawes.    The last Grimshawe, a daughter, was married to a Gosling, and the name became Gosling-Grimshawe.    In the gardens was an ornamented stone arch surmounted by bird and a large “G.”
Errwood Valley is still noted for the show in spring of rhododendrons and azalea blooms, but the best place to see them from was the upper room of the tower.    One almost seemed to float on colour, and the scent coming up with the damp and peacefulness of evening made one think that no place could be more beautiful.
After such memories, to see the raped building at first was pathetic, though now nature has softened the despoliation somewhat.    On a quiet knoll behind the hall the private burying-ground had received dependants as well as members of the family.    One stone commemorated a seaman, aged fifty-five, who for thirty years had been captain of Grimshawe’s yacht ; another stone, a Frenchwoman, presumably a governess—a strange place, this wild glen, for her to die in, so far from her native land.    The last stone was dated 1911, to a gamekeeper, Pownall, who is remembered to have been very well off, having been left £1,000.    Any tenant or worker on the estate had the privilege of being interred there.    Privilege it must have seemed when the estate was flourishing, though somewhat different now—a forgotten place, with crosses atilt, the graves lost under weeds, and the little burying-house, which held a tiny altar and a series of old tiles depicting the Stations of the Cross, desecrated.    The whole railed space, when tended carefully, seemed to speak of a very benevolent despotism.
Halfway down the knoll on the side away from the Hall there used to be a row of cottages for estate-workers.    The cottages looked on the stream, where the sheltered gardens with greenhouses and fruit trees were.    Behind the gardens were the tennis courts, and upstream was the swimming pool.    The Hall even had its private coal-pit, going a mile and a half diagonally into the hill behind.    I have mentioned it on page 53.    The Hall took all the lump coal—there was not much—and the rest, poorish stuff, was sold to farmers around at 5d. a hundredweight.    If made up over a fire of good coal it lasted a tremendous time.    A yarn is told of a farmer who went to America and when he returned found his fire still in!
A man who worked twelve years for the two last Gosling-Grimshawes told me:
 
“There wern’a two finer ladies than them nowheer.    It did’na matter wheer they were, they’d move ta me.    If they saw me i’ Buxton they’d pick me up thay would an’ all!    Aa were th’on’y man as worked theer as werna a Catholic.    Most chaps went tath’ private Chapel th’ first Sunday they worked theer an’ then ‘ad to keep it up, by As did’na.    An’ they ne’er looked daan on me fer it.    That’s what Aa liked abaat ‘em.”
 
How far off those days seem!    Sad memories and the man who gave them has now been dead a dozen years.    But well I recall his:
 
“Yo’ should see th’rhodies theer, lad!    Non a few flowers miles on ‘em.     Flowers as far as from ‘ere ta them rocks yonder” (indicating quite a mile.)
It was this recommendation that made me go to Errwood first, and was in time, just before the benevolent reign ended.    My old friend did not stay quite to the end.    A new bailiff had been engaged, he explained:
 
“Aa knew every yard o’ Errwood—reet up ta th’ back door o’ th’ Cat an’ Fiddle.    Aa were working reet up theer, makin’ gaps up so as sheep couldna wander.    Yo’ know, if they got aat Macclesfield Forest way, we ne’er saw owt on ‘em agen.    They’re aw rogues that way!    Any’ow ‘e come up ta me an’ said: ‘Well, John, A’am yo’re gaffer naa.’    So Aa looked at ‘im an’ Aa said: ‘Tha anna.    Aa’ll walk far enough afore Aaa’ll ‘ave thee fer mi gaffer.’    So Aa gives mi fortnight’s notice.    Aa were gassy then, an’ ‘ad money in mi pocket, an’ in th’ bank, an’ did’na care fer noobody.    Th’ old ladies wanted me ta stop, bur Aa wouldna.    Aa’m an Englishman, an’ winna be ‘umble t’anybody.”
 
While the Hall was still occupied the grounds were opened at rhododendron time every spring for years so that anybody might enjoy the beauty.    But there was much smashing of bushes and taking of flowers, and eventually someone broke the nose off one of the religious figures that stood in niches in the wall round to the main steps.    That was an insult the devout owners could not forgive and all privileges were withdrawn.
After Errwood Hall was abandoned the massed rhododendrons and azaleas became a breeding stronghold of hill foxes, and for many years the keeper from White Hall organised an annual shoot there.    Farmers with guns from neighbouring valleys would stand in line across the top of the glen, and men and youths without guns would beat up towards them.    It was a job remembered, pushing through the undergrowth so as not to miss anything, for the rhododendron stems were inextricably tangled and as tough as wire.    Sometimes, however, five or six foxes were shot.    The last year before the second war a dozen beagles belonging to the High Peak Hunt were used in place of men beaters, but only one fox was put out, a vixen, though.
Goyt’s Bridge without its cottages seems a sad place now for all its remaining beauty.    The stepping stones even appear to be gradually disappearing; the pack-horse bridge close by spanning the tributary off Burbage Edge is in much better condition.    After coming down the old track off Long Hill, the pack-horses turned sharp right on the lower side of the bridge and went through a ford across the much wider Goyt.    One track then, I surmise, as already said, went up Stake Side, and another followed “the Street,” up to Jenkins Chapel and on to Saltersford.    Probably this was the main route by which salt was brought in the Middle Ages from Cheshire into Derbyshire.    Motorists who do not care to retrace the route by the upper Goyt must leave the Goyt by this Saltersford lane and will soon come to Jenkins Chapel.    It somewhat resembles a barn, but has been a place of worship about 250 years.
Walkers can go on from Goyt’s Bridge beside the river by crossing the stile to the left of the railed-up gateway opposite the entrance to Errwood.    They then follow the old carriageway of the Grimshawes.    Soon the river sounds on the right die out as the current loses itself in the deeper water of Fernilee Reservoir.    Near the head of the reservoir a steel suspension bridge, connecting as it seems no special place to anywhere else, spans the water, offering a good view northward of the wider end of the reservoir.    Erected in 1935 at a cost of well over £500, this bridge is scarcely used in the week.    When Stockport Corporation secured powers in 1929 to build two reservoirs (one still to be made sometime, the dam above Goyt’s Bridge,) the Act of Parliament stated that any public paths interfered with should be replaced by others, and this bridge takes the place of an old ford across the Goyt.
 
 
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Here is a photo of the Grimshawes private burial ground on the top of the hill above the Hall.
 
I don’t really know just when this burial ground was constructed but it couldn’t have been there in 1851 when the builder of the Hall, Samuel Grimshawe, died in 1851 as he is not interred there. The first burial was of his son, Samuel Dominic Grimshawe, in 1883Samuel Grimshawe Snr is interred at St Peter’s Church in Manchester in vault number 17.
He was laid to rest alongside four of his closest relatives who were:
 
Samuel Grimshawe died Jan 27th 1851 aged 80 years.
Elizth Grimshawe died 17th August 1829 aged 64 years.
Hannah Clough died 5 Jan 1848 aged 83 years.
Sarah Grimshaw died 12th June 1825.
Phoebe Leigh died 12th October 1837.
 
I have included Samuel Grimshawe for information purposes.
 
For some reason Samuel’s wife Anne was buried at Taxal Church and I have no explanation for this at the moment as I don’t know when the Catholic Church was built on Whaley Lane.
The Grimshawes bought the land for the construction of that church so she should have been laid to rest there.
 
 
In Taxal Church there is a Tablet on north wall of the Chancel which says:
 
In a vault beneath this tablet repose the mortal remains of Anne, wife of Samuel Grimshaw Esq., of Errwood Hall, in this parish who departed this life June 21st 1850 aged 67 years; also in memory of the said Samuel Grimshaw who died Jan 27th 1851 aged 83 years.    This tablet is erected by their only daughter Margaret Elizabeth and her husband, John Upton Gaskell of Ingersley.
 
The names of the people buried at Errwood are as follows:
 
Samuel Dominic Grimshawe died 20 April 1883; 
Jessie Mary Magdalen Grimshawe died 6 Dec 1893; 
Arthur Grimshawe died in infancy.  
Capt the Hon. Edward Francis Preston died 1 Mar 1901; 
Anne Genevieve Marie Preston died 28 Jan 1929.  
Helier Robert Hadsley Gosselin died 31 Mar 1924; 
Mary Ambrose Louisa Gosselin died 23 Feb 1930.  
Irma Niorthe, born at Bayonne, France, 7 Jul 1855 died at Errwood, Cheshire 19 Dec 1882 aged 27.
John Butler, Captain of the yacht Mariquita, 16 years friend and faithful servant of the late Samuel Grimshawe died 3 Feb 1886 aged 55; 
Hannah his wife died 4 Nov 1887.  
Ellen Ferns died 12 Jan 1889 aged 75.  
Elizabeth Anne Braddock died 6 Jan 1903 aged 19.  
Thomas Braddock 28 Nov 1911 aged 71.
 
 
R. S-S
 
Do the business with the photo please Norm.
 

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#170 Posted : 26 January 2012 17:07:58(UTC)
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Dear R.S-S, The Catholic Church on Whaley Lane was built in about 1902, there was a Centenary meal, held at The Mechanic's (I seem to remember) about 8  years ago. The Catholics in the area have their church services held at the Sacred Heart Catholic Church on Whaley Lane and are interred in the cemetery at Taxal. This will be why Anne in the previous post was buried at Taxal. I don't know if there is a separate burial plot at Taxal for Catholics or whether all denominations go together. 

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Hello,
I've been reading this forum with fascination - I too have been researching Errwood Hall for a project. I have found a link to Holly's work which may interest you, it's an extract from a book for an end of year show, so it only shows a very brief part of her project.

http://issuu.com/guiller...g_small/search?q=errwood

if you click on the image it expands to a full screen view and you can zoom in on the text and images. You may enjoy knowing what your help and assistance resulted in! I am hoping to learn lots from all your posts, thank you for all being so informative in your earlier posts!

Laura
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Thank you everyone for the very interesting info on Errwood.

Does anyone know what was the cause of the death of the French governess in 1882?  (Irma Niorthe).
 
I visited sometime in 1980 I think it was. I lived in Macclesfield, thought I would like to potter around the Goyt valley one Sunday, and ended up near Errwood reservoir which was buzzing with twitchers come to view a bird that had strayed in from Russia or somewhere. So thought I would go up to look at the ruins of the Hall to get away from the crowd. Something unusual then happened. But won't describe what I saw which probably comes under the heading of paranormal - but would tell the brief story which isn't at all creepy if anyone is interested.
 
Today, because I am researching epidemics at the moment, thought I would look to see if there were any records connected with the death of the governess (whose name I had not recorded).  So many thanks R S-S for the list of names. 
 
Jen

 

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I would very much like to hear of the spooky situation at Errwood.
 
At that time there was a very large monkey puzzle tree up there and there were several rumours surrounding it.
 
Please don’t say it has anything to do with any little Green Gentlemen.
 
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Hi Jen

I too would be interest in reading your 'paranormal' story.

I also wonder if you, or any other Forum Member, have any information on a possible epidemic in and around Taxal in April 1759. 

My 5x great grandparents had 3 children that died within 2 weeks of each other.  Their daughter, aged 4, died on the same day that they were burying another daughter who died aged 3.  They then lost a son, aged 5, about a week later.  I know that what we think of as mild illnesses today usually proved fatal at that time, but I would be interested to know if anyone has any records from that time that could shed light on what illness befell this poor family.

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Hi Curious,

I think it was Scarlet Fever that generally killed many children at this time. In 1763 in Albrighton,Salop  just over the border in Shropshire, thirteen infants were interred, and in the parish register they remarked how 'the scarlet fever carried off many infants this year'.

It was highly contageous, and where there were large families living closely together it would have been easy to pass it on. It seems to have varied in its effect , ranging from malign to deadly. A doctor called Bretonneau in France ,who had never seen a death from Scarlet fever over the period 1799-1822 'saw in two months in 1824 an epidemic at Tours which was attended with so high a mortality that he came to regard scarlet fever as no less deadly a disease than plague,typus or cholera'.

It is generally caught by children between 4 and 8 apparently.

Nowadays antibiotics sort it out quickly, but the poor souls through history did not have this available to them.

I'm not saying this was definitely the epidemic in Taxal, but its up there on the list.

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Thanks for info on Scarlett Fever Jon.

I've done a bit more digging on Irma Niorthe mentioned in Jen's previous post.  Could she have been called Tima Mary Niorthe?  If so, I think she died age 27 - her death certificate is available from Macclesfield Registry Office - see info at:

http://www.cheshirebmd.org.uk/cgi/pda.cgi?date=1882&county=cheshire&reference=CE%3ARAI%2F6%2F66&file=N&pos=8737&area=CE

Hope this helps

Mrs C

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The now deserted Council Offices at Chinley was a scarlet fever hospital in the late 40s and early 50s.

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It was actually an isolation hospital for many conditions.
 
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