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Gnatalee  
#1 Posted : 30 April 2009 14:18:56(UTC)
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For your entertainment - a band !  Don't know who, where or when .

 

Enjoy

 

Gnats

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R. Stephenson-Smythe  
#2 Posted : 01 May 2009 08:03:11(UTC)
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Hello Gnatalee,
 
Yet another great photograph and one I have not seen before and I don’t know whether I will be able to come up with anything on this but I have a few photos of Whaley bands and I will check them out later today. If anything comes up I will report back to you of course.
 
One thing about your photo that immediately stands out, if you will excuse that expression, is the poor fellow standing behind the wall and being caught on camera. Whatever do you suppose he is doing?
 
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#3 Posted : 01 May 2009 08:39:40(UTC)
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Hello R S-S,

Well spotted about the man behaind the wall. The only problem is that there are actually 2 of them there!!!  Obviously watching

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#4 Posted : 01 May 2009 09:27:28(UTC)
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Hello Mikeann,
 
Like you I thought I could see two men behind the wall but having viewed it and magnified it I am still not sure. It does look like another person, perhaps wearing spectacles and a hat. But the spectacles could be two leaves of the lighter coloured bush in front of the wall and the hat could be a leaf of the darker coloured bush behind.
 
No I think my theory holds more water if you will once again pardon that expression.
 
Could I have your second opinion please?
 
At the end of the day, without more sophisticated technology that I doubt the Council would invest in, this shadowy figure will probably remain unidentified much the same as the shadowy figure on the grassy knoll on Dealey Plaza in Dallas in 1963.
 
As always we have once again bettered the Americans when it comes to history.
 
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#5 Posted : 01 May 2009 11:56:17(UTC)
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Hello Mikeann & R. S-S

Glad you like the photo ! I did think that the guy behind the wall was a spy from a neighbouring band ! (consipracy theory perhaps). I too thought there were two people behind the wall, but on closer inspection - even though it looks very like a person with a cap on - if you look to the right-hand side of the picture there seem to be posts by the wall which also look like they are wearing caps !!

Another thing - the person front row on the left, is it a large child or a small man ? What do you have to do to get a uniform in this band?

As for Americans - don't think they do history - which is probably why they like our history when they visit.

Oh well, must go and earn my crust !


Gnats
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#6 Posted : 01 May 2009 18:12:55(UTC)
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Hello Gnatalee once again,
 
It really is an interesting photo but could have been taken absolutely anywhere. As you say it is a pity people did not write something on the back of the photo. I do think I have got a photo of the young boy dressed as a man in another scene but it might take me ages to find it but I’ll keep looking over this long weekend. Incidentally I’ve just found a photo of the 1896 cup winning team and I believe it to be Whaley.
 
Funnily enough you note that some band members have uniforms and others don’t just as your photo of the football team.
Uniforms have always been an important part of life in general and as we were just discussing American history it may interest you that if you are referred to as a film buff, music buff or any other sort of buff then that term comes from America.
 
Long ago in New York, before skyscrapers and big buildings the houses were usually timber framed and as it is very cold there in winter most had open log fires to keep them warm. Some kept themselves so warm that they actually set fire to their houses and this was before the fire department was formed. So volunteers used to turn out to fight the fires and they wore coats made out of buffalo hides to keep them warm. When the fire service became regulated and was staffed by permanent fire fighters they found the men in buffalo coats still turned out to help. The just could not stop but they used to get in the way most of the time and they became known as the fire buffs because ot their coats.
 
Ask your Dad how much he knows about Errwood Hall, there are a lot of Errwood Hall buffs in Whaley.
 
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#7 Posted : 01 May 2009 23:27:01(UTC)
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R. S-S.

How interesting, informative and funny! (Not sure if it was meant to be funny though, but it did make me smile) I will certainly ask Dad about Errwood Hall - not sure if he knew about putting fires out there though !!

Regarding your photo of the 1896 cup winning team - I have a very old picture, a bit torn and tatty, (looks much older than those posted) of a footy team. There is writing along the bottom of the photo and the only words I can make out are Whaley Bridge. I will try and get this scanned soon and post it.

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#8 Posted : 02 May 2009 20:39:49(UTC)
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Hello all

I am going to answer my own question of "which band?" by saying it is actually Whaley Bridge Band c. 1912 ! Owzat !! Have just had a wander through the Links button on the left of this webpage, looked at the Whaley Bridge Band website and there in the gallery is the very same picture. There are some names, but not all, and not a mention of the man behind the wall (I wonder why).

Gnats

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#9 Posted : 02 May 2009 21:05:49(UTC)
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Well done Gnatalee! As for the man behind the wall - sometimes it's best not to know! Let's just believe he is an innocent bystander!!
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#10 Posted : 04 May 2009 11:45:26(UTC)
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A very good Sunday morning to you Gnatalee even though it is a very wet one,
 
I have done a bit of research on your band and as I say it could be any band anywhere. Obviously I don’t mean it could be Oasis at The Apollo but you know what I mean.
 
If you remember on the last forum I was discussing The Top of Horwich Burial Society with Incredulous, and by the way I am lucky enough to have a member’s badge of that Society. Well basically you paid in about a penny each week and then you would have enough to have a decent burial when you went off to The Promised Land. So successful was the Society that they had surplus funds and every so often they organised ‘Teas and Fields Days’
 
They always employed two bands for the entertainment of the gentlefolk of Whaley Bridge.
One was Whaley Bridge Band and the other was The Culcheth Military Band from Newton Heath in Manchester. It was also known as The Tall Hat Band. But they did not always wear their famous tall hats and I feel this could be the band in your photo; maybe they were wearing their flatter hats because it was a windy day.
 
The Top of Horwich Burial Society paid fees to Culcheth at a far higher rate than they did to Whaley Bridge.
 
Culcheth Military band contained two Whaley Bridge lads called Hallam and it was their parents who organised the band’s first engagement in Whaley in 1883. They also made appearances in 1906, 1911 and finally in 1923. I think I am missing one or two between the last two dates but when they were here they would almost certainly have had their photo taken.
 
Well it’s a possibility anyway.
 
By the way Gnatalee amongst their instruments was an Ophecleide which was also known as a ‘sixteen string jack’ a forerunner of the tuba. It was probably named after the highwayman John Rann who wore sixteen coloured strings around his knees when he held up stagecoaches. He was publicly executed at Tyburn but entertained the crowd and the hangman by doing a jig on the scaffold and the night before his execution he ‘entertained’ seven young women in his condemned cell at Newgate Prison.
 
What a man eh Jake?
 
 
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#11 Posted : 04 May 2009 19:37:31(UTC)
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When you say "entertained", do you mean he sang to them?
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#12 Posted : 05 May 2009 06:58:16(UTC)
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What else could he mean, perhaps Lord Cornflake has the answer.

Come on Lord Cornflake give us your thoughts you must have something better that criticisim

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#13 Posted : 05 May 2009 08:24:55(UTC)
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Hello Gnatalee,
 
Apologies from me; I posted about The Culcheth Military Band and had not even seen your earlier identification posting. It was very remiss of me.
 
I have just completed five hundred lines and will stand in the corner for the rest of the morning with a hat with the letter ‘D’ on it.
 
Hope that is viewed as punishment enough.
 
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Gnatalee wrote:
Hello all

I am going to answer my own question of "which band?" by saying it is actually Whaley Bridge Band c. 1912 ! Owzat !! Have just had a wander through the Links button on the left of this webpage, looked at the Whaley Bridge Band website and there in the gallery is the very same picture. There are some names, but not all, and not a mention of the man behind the wall (I wonder why).

Gnats

 

 

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