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#1 Posted : 12 September 2011 22:22:52(UTC)
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Levi and Elijah Hall had considerable interests in coal mining locally.  Their names appear whenever researching the Whaley Bridge, Furness Vale and New Mills pits.  Godfrey Lomas of Wakefield has written to me asking if I am able to provide any information about them or any other photographs.  Elijah Hall was his great great grandfather.  Mr Lomas believes that the gentleman on the left of the photo is Elijah.  The caption on the back reads however as if this might be Mr Nall.  Can any members help with their identities or provide any further information.

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#2 Posted : 12 September 2011 22:25:08(UTC)
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#3 Posted : 12 September 2011 22:26:18(UTC)
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#4 Posted : 12 September 2011 23:56:13(UTC)
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Can't help with the photograph ...sorry. But this might be of interest.........

hold documents relating to Messrs. E. Hall and L. Hall.
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#5 Posted : 03 October 2011 09:31:40(UTC)
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Hello David,
 
I have got a few bits and pieces on Levi and Elijah Hall mostly in the form of newspaper cuttings.
If they are of interest to Mr Lomas I’ll put them on this thread.
 
Let me know as I do not know if they would be of much interest to anyone else.
 
(Example below)
 
R. S-S
 
Glossopdale Chronicle
 
 22 February 1873
 
new colliery operations.    We understand that Messrs L. & E. Hall, coal proprietors, have taken the Shawcross Colliery, which they are about to re-open and work for coals.    Mr John Kinder, for 40 years in the employ of the Buxton Lime Company, has been appointed to a good position at the new works.
 
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#6 Posted : 03 October 2011 10:05:34(UTC)
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Good Morning R.S-S.  Any information you may have about the Halls will be of interest to me and I will certainly pass it on to Mr Lomas.  They were quite important coal owners locally although I believe they ended up bankrupt.

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#7 Posted : 04 October 2011 12:48:35(UTC)
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I think this bit might interest Buggyite.
 
 
Glossopdale Chronicle
 
21 January 1888
 
the trade prospects.   
At Messrs Hall’s trade also seems brisk.   
We are informed that a new shaft will probably be sunk at Hockerley in February or March, by Messrs L. & E. Hall, colliery proprietors.   
The work of making a branch line from the railway is now progressing.
 
 
Glossopdale Chronicle
 
28 January 1888
 
the prospects of the coal trade.   
We are informed that operations will shortly be commenced in opening a new pit near the railway.    Workmen are at present employed by the railway company in cutting for the branch line.
 
 
Buxton Advertiser
 
18 February 1888
 
a new coal-field.   
Arrangements are being made by Messrs L. & E. Hall, colliery proprietors, New Mills, for opening out a new coal-field extending over 30 acres, situate under the Hockerley estate at Whaley Bridge.   
To meet traffic requirements a new siding is being constructed near the London and North-Western Railway Station.
 
 
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Yes, that does interest me!

I was a little confused by the use of the term "branch line" in the Glossop Chron cuttings, but I think the Buxton Advertiser describes the railway works more accurately as a siding.

As far as I know, the down line siding that went into the goods shed (that is still there) was extended in the opposite direction towards Furness Vale to the Hockerley pit, with it running alongside the down line.

Here is a map showing the siding in red:

 

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#9 Posted : 04 October 2011 20:34:18(UTC)
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Hi Buggyite,
 
Is the photo below showing what is on your map?
 
I see the water tower on the other side of the line.
 
I can remember that but is it still there?
 
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#10 Posted : 04 October 2011 21:09:47(UTC)
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The water tank was on the other side of the tracks from the coal mine sidings. The sidings ended just before where the bridge (nearly opposite Tesco's) under the lines is. The bridge was, in the past, used as a short cut by people walking from  Bridgemont/Furness/New Mills to the Jodrell/Williamson/Hockerly areas. You were not welcome walking through J.F. Mellors Haulage Yard but people still did.  

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#12 Posted : 05 October 2011 09:01:15(UTC)
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Glossopdale Chronicle
 
24 March 1888
 
the sinking of the new pit.   
It is generally understood that the work of sinking the new pit on the Jodrell Estate, near to the station, will commence in a few weeks.   
A siding at the L. & N.W. Station has been made, and on Tuesday workmen were engaged in extending an arch, near to the site of the pit.
 
 
Buxton Advertiser
 
27 October 1888
 
messrs hall's colliery.   
It is not expected that coal will be reached at the new sinking below the Railway Station until January next.   
The seam is that known as steam coal.
 
 
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#13 Posted : 06 October 2011 16:58:39(UTC)
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High Peak News
 
5 January 1901
 
The Wharf Collieries above and below the L. & N. Western Railway Station on the down line, are now closed, the supply of coal being exhausted.    The proprietors were Messrs L. & E. Hall and the fifty men who had been employed there have gone away to Bredbury and other places for employment.    The two collieries had been in working for a quarter of a century.
 
 
High Peak News
 
5 September 1903
 
Messrs Levi & J. Hall, the well-known colliery proprietors, have, owing to their collieries at Furness Vale and New Mills being exhausted, arranged for the disposal of the plant and machinery.    A correspondent states that the firm are the oldest employers of labour anywhere in that part of the county.    For nearly two centuries the family have worked one or other of the collieries in the district.    Five successive generations of the family have got coal at Shallcross, Whaley Bridge, Bugsworth, Furness Vale, Chinley and New Mills.    Not long since the Messrs Hall had seven pits working.    The coal is now exhausted.    Many of the workpeople have in consequence left for other colliery districts.
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#14 Posted : 07 October 2011 13:47:23(UTC)
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David,
 
You are not going to like this bit of information one little bit but I’ll put it on because it does mention the Hall’s:
 
FURNESS CLOUGH COLLIERY - R.E. Knowles Ltd.
 
First lease of Colliery was in 1802.
 
Second lease was in 1823.
 
Third lease was made in 1844.
 
In 1895, when some workings were abandoned, pit was in the possession of Messrs Levi and Elijah Hall.
 
In 1963 the last 5 colliers left the pit; the pumps stopped working and created an underground lake nearly 1000' wide and 500' deep.
 
Mining of coal was on Red & White Ash seams and fireclay was also mined.
 
No 1 Shaft                  Red Ash Seam - 17" thick                           at 74 feet deep
 
                                    White Ash Seam - 11½" thick                     at 149 feet deep
 
No 2 Shaft                  Red Ash Seam - 17" thick                           at 87 feet deep
 
                                    White Ash Seam - 11½" thick                     at 162 feet deep
 
No 3 Shaft                  Red Ash Seam - 17" thick                           at 74 feet deep
 
                                    White Ash Seam - 11½ thick                       at 157 feet deep
 
Big Mine was worked to 1859 and included old workings "gotten in the year 1810."
 
I am, once again sorry to inform you of the fact that your property is built right on top of this lake and you should take great care when doing any alterations. The thought of you falling through the floor and landing in the lake in total darkness is too frightful to imagine.
 
I may have told you before that your neighbours Joan and Geoff have already mentioned to me that they have a severe case of rising damp. So the signs are all there.
 
In addition to the above here is another snippet of information about the miners leaving the pit
 
1963   July 7.    Furness Clough Colliery closed ending all mining in this area. Approximately eleven men and two ponies finished work.
 
I’d get on to Bridgford’s if I were you, Pal.
 
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#15 Posted : 07 October 2011 14:10:06(UTC)
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At least it seems there are no problems with firedamp...

 

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#16 Posted : 07 October 2011 17:28:47(UTC)
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Dry as a bone here R.S-S and Joan didn't look very damp to me this afternoon.

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#17 Posted : 07 October 2011 17:33:39(UTC)
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Dry here as I say but I do wonder where that frog came from that was in my living room yesterday morning !  There is a photo of it on Facebook.

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