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Hi Neil,
Thanks for the post and welcome to the forum. Hope you dont mind, but I've moved the posts to the original Whaley Bridge Golf Club thread to keep it all together.
Very interesting to hear another voice saying that there were 11 holes. I was also told this, but i wasn't sure where it was, so your input is very useful.
Regarding the uploading, you have successfully loaded a picture, so i suspect that when you made your post, you selected the tick box to attach files at the bottom, but then selected the wrong file when you subsequently were taken to the screen which allows you to select a file and upload it. Dont worry - If you still have your 'edited' file on your computer, then you can just go to your original post in this thread, select the 'ATTACH' option at the top right of your post, and try selecting and 'uploading' the new picture again. You can delete the original picture at the same if you want.
Cheers
Jon.
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Reading the sale details, it suggests that the course could be extended from the 10 holes. I remember Dad saying that it had been longer, but some of the land had been requisitioned in the war. I or Dad could never work out where those holes were! They might have been behind the 7th green and 8th tee, because the map shown shows the green and tee over the field boundary. That field had been ploughed and cultivated all the time I played the course. I was 8 in 1943, so you can work out how old I was at the end of my time there!! In my description of the long par 5 (5th hole) it is indelibly engraved on my memory, that once when I landed in the valley from the tee, I became obstreperous and instead of picking the ball up and dropping on the top, I played it, and played it, and scored 27!! Dad was not impressed!!!
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Hi Neil,
Very interesting to hear another voice saying that there were 11 holes. I was also told this, but i wasn't sure where it was, so your input is very useful.
Cheers
Jon.
Jon,
You are falling into the trap (not bunker) that was how most people perceived the course: that is there was a 9 hole golf course over the road in the field and there were 2 putting greens on the Club House side of the road.
That was simply not the case.
The course was actually 10 holes as shown in the aerial photo and in order to play 18, Hole 1 was played once, then Holes 2-9 were played and then repeated again in the same order but now as 10-17, finishing with Hole 18 which was played just once.
I know more land was acquired at one time to extend the course to 18 Holes but it never materialized.
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Hi RSS,
With a deft little chip I think I may have escaped from the bunker !
I have been passed the following scan of a booklet associated with the course. This refers to John Ashworth A later photo of John(Jack) Ashworth, who used to be the professional referred to in the booklet has been posted previously on this thread. The booklet does suggest that there were 11 holes in play, and provides some convenient yardages.It looks like an extra hole was added some time after 1925 and obviously before 1960, when the land was sold. I'm trying to find out if the booklet is dated.
Cheers
Jon.
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Hi Jon,
Well what can’t speak can’t lie as the saying goes.
And there it is in black and white.
The reasons for my certainty of the course and layout, apart from the 10 hole sale document, was a series of emails from a relative of the original landowner who also happened to be an extremely knowledgeable local historian.
I’m sure you know who I mean and I haven’t, until now, found any fault with any of the information he passed to me.
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One of the great pleasures of being on the green's committee of a Golf course is to muck around with the course layout. With the simplicity of the old Whaley course, essentially an open field with no major obstructions, I would not be suprised if several changes in layout were made over the years. I am also sure that on quiet days many of the members would invent their own holes - playing from the tee of one hole to the green of another to add variety and challenge. |
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The arial photographs on Bing Maps show up some of the features of the course much more clearly than that on google maps.
This I assume was the 2nd hole (slightly colour enhanced), with the tee directly by Whaley Lane
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Hi RSS,
Yes I know who you mean, and I dont understand it either, unless the 11 holes were there for a period and then taken back to 10 when it was all sold.. I've been passed the rest of the pages from the booklet now, but unfortunately there is no date. I include the scans below. These are all the pages available.
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Now I’m certainly no golfer but it looks to me that after the sale of the Golf Course the layout must have changed perhaps in the way that Rock Banker surmises.
Compare the 10 holes at the time of the sale:
1. Crest - 268 yards
2. Hope - 300 yards
3. Gulley - 192 yards
4. Dear Dear - 152 yards
5. West - 273 yards
6. View - 316 yards
7. Panorama - 148 yards
8. Wood - 384 yards
9. Wall - 318 yards
10. Home - 231 yards
And the 11 hole Jon Goldfinch Course:
1 290
2 110
3 282
4 191
5 500
6 180
7 420
8 310
9 314
10 284
11 102
The Jon Goldfinch Course is 403 yards longer and with a 500 yard par 5 as stated by Neil earlier in this thread.
Is it possible, therefore, for anyone to use the aerial photograph and show the layout of the Jon Goldfinch Course?
Surely they used the same tees and greens but played them in a different order as Rock Banker suggests.
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There are what look like several tees here
http://www.bing.com/maps/?v=2&cp=53.33703093118844~-2.0063914348652334&lvl=19&dir=0&sty=h
Which do not seem to fit in with the holes as previously described.
Building a small and simple tee would only be a couple of days work at the most, so I can imagine that over the years that it is possible that tees were built and then fell out of use as the course evolved. Greens of course would be a different matter. |
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Hi,
I think Neil Hardman, who started up this thread again can help us here. He said the layout was different in the 40's 50's when he played it and it had 11 holes. I wonder if he could have another go at uploading his edited version of the map - or email it me and I'll put it on.
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Thanks rockbanker for the arial photo of the second green. If you look over the wall at the 3rd, 5th 6th and 9th complex you can see a D shaped green which was the 5th green and along side the wall on Whaley Lane (up a bit on the photo) you can see a rectangular area which was the 9th green. The 3rd tee was alongside the wall next to the 2nd area, and the 6th tee was between the 5th green and the wall on Whaley Lane.
f you go up there, as I did about 6 years ago, it is all very clear.
Neil
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Thanks Neil
Goodness gracious, what a busy little corner of the course! Two greens and two tees all right next to each other and by the road as well. Must have interesting on Captain's day.
I have been busy with my colouring pencils - Am I close?
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Dear Rockbanker,
Spot on!! Couldn't have done it better. Neil
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Rockbanker, Sorry to come back again, but if you can e-mail a bing photo of the whole course including the clubhouse area, I will endeavour to show all the greens and tees. neil.hardman@virgin.net
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Neil,
I stopped in the layby yesterday and took a few snaps. I was going to take the footpath across the field, but time was pressing and it was getting chilly. Another day maybe. I have marked up on the aerial photographs the holes I could definitely identify. I will post a clubhouse side aerial view later.
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Just for a bit of fun I had a go at recreating the 2nd RockBanker attached the following image(s): |
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My family moved to Whaley in the summer of 1980, but I seem to remember the locals referring to it as the "Old Course" and the "Old Clubhouse"
I recall the Daily Mirror publishing a story of an old bloke who continued to play the course throughout the 80s. Occasionally I used to see him, presumably on the second hole from your picture, whilst driving home from work.
At the risk of being called an ignoramus when and why was the course closed?
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Neil S:
See post #9 in the thread.
Its rather quirky and short layout would mean that it must have struggled to attract members and visiting golfers (and hence revenue), particularly given the relative abundance of other clubs in the area (Mellor, Marple, Disley, New Mills, Chapel, Buxton & High Peak, Buxton Cavendish). Things might have been very different if they had implemented James Braid's plans to expanded the course to 18 holes. Braid, one of the greatest golfers of his era, was a prolific course designer whose best work, such as at the Gleneagles resort in Scotland, is highly regarded. |
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