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#1 Posted : 25 February 2011 10:58:38(UTC)
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Hi Everyone....

 

I just obtained a book  this week 'Yeomans Home- A History Of Bugsworth and its Hall' -James Abson

Brilliant stuff lots of great info on the Caringtons of Buggy and local area all pre industrial revolution...back to 1066

And a cracking little ghost story about Buggy Hall and the Ghost of Jenny........

Was wondering if anyone has heard this story and if its still being passed down etc.....

I will hapilly write it up here if anyone is intrested to hear it.......

 

such things should never be lost!

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#2 Posted : 25 February 2011 11:51:23(UTC)
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My mothers aunt used to live at the hall and when I was a lad I used to go there and hear tales concerning the "priest's hole" but never heard the ghost story.

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#3 Posted : 25 February 2011 12:13:08(UTC)
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Hi Moogie

I would love to read the story if you don't mind putting it on the Forum.  I've got a story about Murder in Winnats Pass if anyone would like to read that one?

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Mrs Curious

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#4 Posted : 25 February 2011 12:13:23(UTC)
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nothing in the book about that one!!....tell all!!....

 

ok ....moderators.......am i ok to scan it an post up here?....would save typing and the book has no llisted copyright in it.

Im sure author Mr james Abson would not object.....well i hope not..he wrote it for the people...

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#5 Posted : 25 February 2011 13:24:42(UTC)
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As requested

 

many thanks

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#6 Posted : 25 February 2011 19:36:48(UTC)
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Very interesting legend  from Buxworth.

Here's my Murder at Winnatts Pass story.  I picked it up from the excellent Visitor Centre in Castleton and it was produced by the Castleton Historical Society. 

Murder in the Winnats Pass

Winnat’s Pass is a narrow, dramatic limestone gorge to the west of Castleton. Local legend has it that the Pass is haunted by the ghosts of two ill-fated lovers, murdered on their way to be married at the Peak Forest Chapel. The Chapel was built in 1657 by Christiana, Countess of Devonshire. As it was exempt from control by ecclesiastical authorities, couples from outside the parish could marry there without the normal legal requirement for banns to be posted. The Chapel became Derbyshire’s own Gretna Green, enabling couples who perhaps faced objections to their mariage to be legally wed.

There are many versions of the story of the murder in the Winnats, some more detailed than others:

From the “Derby News” 28 April 1788:

“In 1758 and young gentleman and lady came out of Scotland on an expedition and were robbed and murdered at a place called the Winnats, near Castleton. Their bones were found in 1768 by some miners sinking an engine pit.
James A, Nicholas C, Thomas H, John B and Francis B, meeting them in the Winnats pulled them off their horses and dragged them into a barn and took from them two hundred pounds. Then, seizing on the young gentleman, the young lady entreated them in a most moving manner not to kill him. But they cut his throat from ear to ear. They then seized the young lady herself, and though she entreated them on her knees to spare her life, yet one of the wretches drove a miner’s pick into her head, when she dropped down dead at his feet. On the second night they buried them.

The Reckoning
Nicholas C fell from a precipice near the place of the murder and was killed. Thomas H hanged himself. John B was walking near the place where the bones were buried, when a stone fell from the hill and killed him on the spot. Francis B went mad and died miserably. James A was most miserably afflicted and tormented in his conscience and on his death bed in 1778 he confessed the whole of the affair.”

This is the earliest, and most circumspect, version of the story but down the years it becomes embellished with detail:

Some writers give the names of the lovers as Alan and Clara. Alan was allegedly from a poor family and Clara’s wealthy parents objected to the match. When Alan was threatened by Clara’s brother, the couple decided to elope to the Peak Forest Chapel. They made their way to Stoney Middleton and stayed overnight at The Royal Oak. The following day they went to Castleton and stopped for a rest at another inn. A group of raucous and drunken miners was also there. Seeing the couple dressed in fine clothes, the men decided to follow them up the Winnats where they robbed them of £200 and brutally murdered them. Confessing to the murder on his death bed, James Ashton named the others: Nicholas Cook, John Bradshaw, Thomas Hall and Francis Butler. All writers record that these four died violently, some adding that James Ashton, having bought with his ill-gotten gains horses that turned out to be unfit, had died in poverty.

Adding rather more detail to the Derby News story, other writers say that the bodies of Alan and Clara were hidden in a barn but later dropped down a mine shaft where they were discovered some ten years after the murder. It is also said that Alan and Clara’s horses were found four days after the murder and that the red leather saddle on display in the Speedwell Cavern Museum belonged to Clara. The bones of this unfortunate couple are alleged to have been retrieved from the mining shaft and buried by the eastern gate of St. Edmund’s Church.

The spirits of Alan and Clara are said to still wander Winnats Pass and on a dark night their voices may be heard begging for their lives…………

The truth? Who knows ……….but a dramatic and tragic story by all accounts.

There's more information on this murder in John N Merrill's book 'Legends of Derbyshire'.  Our book cost 60p in 1975 (ISBN  0 85206 272 9) and I see you can still get it on Amazon.  A google search also comes up with quite a bit more info too.

Mrs Curious

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#7 Posted : 25 February 2011 19:49:06(UTC)
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I have an old booklet, priced at 6d, called "Allan and Clara, Murder in the WInnats Pass", but I have just lent it to someone.

The writing style is quite florid, but the tale moves along quite briskly. When I get it back, I may well scan it in, and do the document recognition thing, so it can be posted here.

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#8 Posted : 25 February 2011 20:42:58(UTC)
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Hi Mrs C

A story I have seen before James Ashton is on my family tree.

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#9 Posted : 02 March 2011 10:07:17(UTC)
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Hi Shallcross

Is James Ashton on the Depledge side of your tree by any chance?

Mrs C

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