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Sarah  
#1 Posted : 31 March 2009 00:38:45(UTC)
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Hello Whaleybridge forum members!

My name is Sarah Pickering and i am a second year environmental science student at the University of Leeds. I have been set a piece of coursework that involves assessing the possibility of building houses in the area of walkers pit. This is just a pretend role play exercise but it has to be carried out in the style a professional report. I have been given historical information about the area from 1900+. i know that there was a bleach works and a mining site.

I would be interested to find out if that is still there and working? also does anyone know why and when it shut down if it has? any info on this would be great. it seems impossible to find anything out about this off the internet.

Also has there been any previous enquiries into building housing on the site? if so why was it refused.

Any other info you could give me on this site would be greatly appreciated.

Sarah

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#2 Posted : 31 March 2009 11:49:15(UTC)
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I can help: a sentence conventionally starts with a capital letter.
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#3 Posted : 31 March 2009 11:53:15(UTC)
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I is written with a capital letter too. And where is walkers pit? Should it be Walker's Pt?
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#4 Posted : 31 March 2009 16:04:58(UTC)
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Pete, your comments are greatly appreciated and very helpful.

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#5 Posted : 31 March 2009 19:41:05(UTC)
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Get out of bed the wrong side today Pete?

Sorry Sarah, I can't help you, but there are people on this Forum who have a vast knowledge of Whaley Bridge, and if you are patient, I am sure someone will be able to help. Perhaps you could put your post in the history section of the Forum as well, because I'm sure some people are only interested in that side of it.

I'm also sorry your first replies came from "Mr Grumpy" - I'm sure he didn't mean to sound so rude!
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Thank you, i will do that. No worries about pete.

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#7 Posted : 01 April 2009 11:33:11(UTC)
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Sarah and Fedup, if one can not be bothered with important conventions then how can we trust that Walker Pit really was in Whaley? Does she mean Byker Pit? It is not - absolutely not - "rude" to object to illiteracy.

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Sarah,
According to a book by John Leach (COAL MINING AROUND WHALEY BRIDGE) The colliery was called the Shallcross Hall Colliery,but locally the shaft was known as Brickbarn and the adit known as Walkers Pit which opened in1909 purchased by Buxton Lime Firms in 1907. Coalmining Around Whaley Bridge Published By Derbyshire Library Service 1992.
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Further to my last posting re Walkers Pit. The Adit (A nearly level tunnel into the mineshaft Workings) was linked to Botany Bleachworks by a tramway supplying the factory with coal crossing over the River Goyt. Walker Adit closed in 1922 and Brickbarn closed on the 28th Feb 1925. This was the last colliery to be worked in the town of Whaley Bridge. BotanyBleachworks closed down1998/9
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#10 Posted : 01 April 2009 15:58:06(UTC)
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Frankie, thanks for the information. One of the main issues I need to find out is if there are any lead pipes on the site which will have gone from or to the bleach works?

 

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#11 Posted : 03 April 2009 14:55:20(UTC)
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Hi Sarah

The man who can and will help you with this question about Walkers Pit is Robert Stephenson-Smythe who is away on duty at present.

He has been in touch with me and asked me to post this message and tell you that all being well he will post the information this coming Sunday or early next week. He has some pictures but I think but wants to do some checking re the lead pipes.

Take care now

Jake

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Sarah wrote:

Frankie, thanks for the information. One of the main issues I need to find out is if there are any lead pipes on the site which will have gone from or to the bleach works?

 

Hello Sarah,

 

I saw your contribution about The Walker Pit last week but I was away so I was unable to reply to you.

 

I must say your post is, in my opinion, the most remarkable post to appear on this or the last forum.

 

You say that you have been set a piece of course work about the possibility of building houses on the site of The Walker Pit. I find it absolutely staggering that someone in Leeds could ask such a thing of you. I would estimate that only a tiny minority of the population of Whaley Bridge has even heard of The Walker Pit. So how on earth have you been asked about a site that closed during the early part of the last century and which is miles away from Leeds?

Can you let us know the course you are on and some of the text that has been handed to you? Is the lecturer or teacher or whatever a Whaley Bridge person? For as you say there is nothing about The Walker Pit on the internet. Is there an internet link to your course?

 

I note within your further post of April 1st you ask about lead pipes going from the bleach works to The Walker Pit. This I find strangest of all. Why on earth would you ask about that or why would anyone ask you to?

 

I look forward to your reply after which I may be able to help you out.

 

R. S-S

 

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#13 Posted : 07 April 2009 16:45:16(UTC)
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Thank you for your reply, i have also been away on a field trip until today which is why my reply was slow.

The piece of work is basically an exercise which will help us to demonstrate our consultancy abilities. The module is contaminated land studies and the degree course is environmental science BSc. we have been given information about some of the history of the site, maps showing locations of the bleach works, a historical map which showed the mine and also historical information from when the mine was used as a tip and the incident that occured with that. We have to assess the risks of building housing there. i.e. is the land contaminated from the mining or the bleach works which may effect residents that could live there. Also the dangers that the shafts could pose. i was wondering about the lead pipes because as you may know they can errode and enter the soils/water which is obviously not good for the residents. 

As part of the exercise it is neccessary for me to do further research on the history and locations of mine shafts, geology of the land and the effects the bleach works has on the water and also the mining effects. 

I assume that there is no one living there at the moment? we have been told there is not. i think we were given this site as its small and the lecturer is an ex consultant...maybe he worked on this site once. his name is Sam shaw, and i dont know where he is from. 

find attached the information i have been given for the task and also a link to the environmental science pages from leeds uni. 

As i said in an earlier email any information would be great, however relevant. 

sarah  

File Attachment(s):
EARS_2460[1] consultancy.doc (161kb) downloaded 326 time(s).
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http://www.see.leeds.ac.uk/

link to the school of earth and environment at the university of leeds

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Sarah wrote:

Thank you for your reply, i have also been away on a field trip until today which is why my reply was slow.

The piece of work is basically an exercise which will help us to demonstrate our consultancy abilities. The module is contaminated land studies and the degree course is environmental science BSc. we have been given information about some of the history of the site, maps showing locations of the bleach works, a historical map which showed the mine and also historical information from when the mine was used as a tip and the incident that occured with that. We have to assess the risks of building housing there. i.e. is the land contaminated from the mining or the bleach works which may effect residents that could live there. Also the dangers that the shafts could pose. i was wondering about the lead pipes because as you may know they can errode and enter the soils/water which is obviously not good for the residents. 

As part of the exercise it is neccessary for me to do further research on the history and locations of mine shafts, geology of the land and the effects the bleach works has on the water and also the mining effects. 

I assume that there is no one living there at the moment? we have been told there is not. i think we were given this site as its small and the lecturer is an ex consultant...maybe he worked on this site once. his name is Sam shaw, and i dont know where he is from. 

find attached the information i have been given for the task and also a link to the environmental science pages from leeds uni. 

As i said in an earlier email any information would be great, however relevant. 

sarah  

Hello once again to you Sarah,

 

Thank you for supplying me with the information I asked for. I would rather like to be on that course myself.

However, can I ask you to repost on the Local History side of the forum as this topic is more suited over there? Can I also ask how much time you have at your disposal as there may have to be some research on my part to help you and time goes by so quickly?

 

It is a very interesting subject nevertheless and I have already started to look at some of my old records which I think will help you.

 

R. S-S

 

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Hello Sarah,

I will try to give you some information about The Walker Pit but will do it a bit piecemeal.

Firstly you have identified the correct position of The Walker Pit: it is to the right hand side of Buxton Road in Whaley Bridge just before the track down to Taxal Bridge. It has been known locally for many years as The Botany Tip. The bleach works you referred to is on the other side of the river but entirely downstream from The Walker Pit so no bleaching operations carried out at Botany could possibly have had any polluting affects on the Pit. To my knowledge there are and never have been any lead pipes from the Botany to the Pit; but more of that later.

If you have visited the Whaley Bridge website you will be greeted by the following statement:

“WHALEY BRIDGE is an attractive small town in the High Peak. We call ourselves the Gateway to the Goyt Valley, the area of outstanding natural beauty which is a magnet for walkers, tourists and those seeking adventure.”
You will see our local council is also on the front page of the site and I presume it and by association its councillors endorse that statement.

The Goyt Valley is indeed a beautiful place but at times it has catered for industry such as mining and factories. These are now all gone.
Botany Bleach Works or the company that was sited there Edward Hall Ltd leased several parcels of land in the Goyt Valley in order that they could carry out their business more effectively and I note from my records that one such piece of land is that which was The Walker Pit. It was part of a 99 year lease from 25th March 1908. Now it just so happens that another piece of land known locally as Taxal Duckpond was leased by Botany at the same time and for the same number of years. This beautiful piece of land was somehow acquired by one of our Councillors, Mr Swift and the circumstances of how have not come to light. But it is a distinct possibility that the good Councillor also managed to acquire The Walker Pit land at the same time. You would need to contact the Town Clerk to find out if she knows anything about this matter.
There are indeed lead pipes going from Botany Works but as I say not to the Walker Pit and I would not wish to divulge anything about their whereabouts as we have only just recently managed to clean up the Goyt Valley which was becoming a scrap yard. So I think you would be safe in disregarding the possibility of lead pollution on the site.
Just what is in that area is anyone’s guess though? Although it was known as The Botany Tip, Edward Hall produced little in the way of waste, that is apart from the millions of gallons of acid and caustic effluent that was discharged directly into the river, but as I say that is downstream from your project and again you need not concern yourself with that. The only other waste items were the sacking and steel bands that wrapped the raw cotton bales. Both of these items were salvaged and sold.
The only other item that could have gone to the tip was ash from the boilers and that would tie in with the disaster that occurred there on the 12th October, 2005 but more of that later.
That’s all for now but I’ll dig some more out for you later on today.

R. S-S


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Hello again Sarah,
 
Your course notes say that Shallcross Hall Pit has now been replaced by housing; I can’t be absolutely certain but I do not think any houses were built on the actual footprint of the colliery.
The entrance was capped with a large slab of concrete and is now a children’s playground.
The houses are known locally as Flanders but that need not concern you but someone local may take me up and commence a new discussion on that area.
 
I have read the report of the accident at The Walker Pit in your papers and some of the information is attributed to William Eyre. Bill was our most knowledgeable historian and really what he said about this village is always accepted as good and accurate. I certainly would not want to argue against anything Bill said but as for the tip collapsing well I don’t know.
I have a picture of the aftermath of the disaster and there is not much to see really but it does not look to me as though an embankment has collapsed rather more as though a digging has caved in. The picture is repeated in a series of postcards about the area with the following text:
 
“A typical disaster scene, a type of card collected in the early part of the century. It records the tragedy at a coal pit referred to as The Walker Pit, where three men lost their lives on 12th October 1905. The men who died, when the disused pit, near Long Hill Road, was being inspected by John Walker prior to its possible reopening, were 53 years old Richard Walker, his 19 year old son Samuel Moseley Walker and Harry Wooley aged 18. All three came from Bings Knowle. A John Walker (presumably the inspector) was buried to his waste in debris. The Walker Pit (Whaley and Horwich Tunnel), was an 18 inch mine approached by tunnel. It had an underground roadway through which pony-drawn trucks delivered coal to the Botany Bleach Works. The pit also supplied coal direct to the Gunpowder Works and Meveril Springs Works”
 
You can make of that what you want.
 
Incidentally the owner of Botany Bleach Works, Colonel Hall lived in a large Manor House (since demolished ‘thank you council’) called Shallcross Hall it looked down on both Botany and Shallcross Hall Pit.. Just in front of the Hall is an air shaft from the main pit and at one time rumour has it (and it’s a pretty well founded rumour) that a factory in a neighbouring village used that air shaft to dispose of some very hazardous waste products. I don’t know if they needed Planning Permission in those days to do such a thing but if they did it’s once again thank to the council.
Where that hazardous material ended up is again anybody’s guess.
 
Nowadays to build on the land occupied by The Walker Pit would involve a quite large piling operation and the stretch of road where you would need to enter and exit the site has been the subject of a lot of discussion about speeding vehicles so you might encounter problems with the Highways Department and the blanket tree preservation order might also be difficult to overcome.
 
Hope this has been of assistance to you Sarah and good luck with your project.
 
R. S-S

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Hello Sarah,

I will try to give you some information about The Walker Pit but will do it a bit piecemeal.

Firstly you have identified the correct position of The Walker Pit: it is to the right hand side of Buxton Road in Whaley Bridge just before the track down to Taxal Bridge. It has been known locally for many years as The Botany Tip. The bleach works you referred to is on the other side of the river but entirely downstream from The Walker Pit so no bleaching operations carried out at Botany could possibly have had any polluting affects on the Pit. To my knowledge there are and never have been any lead pipes from the Botany to the Pit; but more of that later.

If you have visited the Whaley Bridge website you will be greeted by the following statement:

“WHALEY BRIDGE is an attractive small town in the High Peak. We call ourselves the Gateway to the Goyt Valley, the area of outstanding natural beauty which is a magnet for walkers, tourists and those seeking adventure.”
You will see our local council is also on the front page of the site and I presume it and by association its councillors endorse that statement.

The Goyt Valley is indeed a beautiful place but at times it has catered for industry such as mining and factories. These are now all gone.
Botany Bleach Works or the company that was sited there Edward Hall Ltd leased several parcels of land in the Goyt Valley in order that they could carry out their business more effectively and I note from my records that one such piece of land is that which was The Walker Pit. It was part of a 99 year lease from 25th March 1908. Now it just so happens that another piece of land known locally as Taxal Duckpond was leased by Botany at the same time and for the same number of years. This beautiful piece of land was somehow acquired by one of our Councillors, Mr Swift and the circumstances of how have not come to light. But it is a distinct possibility that the good Councillor also managed to acquire The Walker Pit land at the same time. You would need to contact the Town Clerk to find out if she knows anything about this matter.
There are indeed lead pipes going from Botany Works but as I say not to the Walker Pit and I would not wish to divulge anything about their whereabouts as we have only just recently managed to clean up the Goyt Valley which was becoming a scrap yard. So I think you would be safe in disregarding the possibility of lead pollution on the site.
Just what is in that area is anyone’s guess though? Although it was known as The Botany Tip, Edward Hall produced little in the way of waste, that is apart from the millions of gallons of acid and caustic effluent that was discharged directly into the river, but as I say that is downstream from your project and again you need not concern yourself with that. The only other waste items were the sacking and steel bands that wrapped the raw cotton bales. Both of these items were salvaged and sold.
The only other item that could have gone to the tip was ash from the boilers and that would tie in with the disaster that occurred there on the 12th October, 2005 but more of that later.
That’s all for now but I’ll dig some more out for you later on today.

R. S-S


 

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Don’t mention it Sarah,

It was a pleasure.

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Thanks Jon,
 
Yes it works. I did recover the thread and I’ll post this little reply at the end to see if it reappears on the forum.
 
I’m still very sceptical about Sarah though.
 
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Hi, My name is Lucy, I'm now doing the same module as Sarah was two years ago at Leeds Uni and have come across this thread on a google search when finding information for the same project. Could I just make sure, for copyright reasons that I have permission to use the information in this thread? Two years on and it is still quite difficult finding information on the site via the internet. Also could you let me know what the sources were so I can correctly reference them in the report.

Thanks very much!

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