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#1 Posted : 18 November 2010 13:39:02(UTC)
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Having been enjoying the series "Turn back the century--The High Street" on B.B.C.1 Tuesday nights I cast my mind back to Whaley Bridge High Street, otherwise known as Market Street, and thought back to the shops here.

Nearly all the shops were specialist shops which kept mainly to selling their own line and privately owned, some passed on down the same family. Many of the proprieters and staff stayed at the same shops for a long time and would be well known by their customers. The window displays were thoughtfully arranged and attractive, window shopping an enjoyable pastime for many, when we had spare time.

The variety of goods which were on sale met almost all our needs. People younger than myself and new comers to the "thriving metropolis" would be surprised at the number of shops here then. So I have strained my memory and made a list of as many as I can remember, I expect I have missed some (others will perhaps put any I have missed).

I am attempting to attach the list, however with my track record I may not do it the first time.

To be contined.

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#2 Posted : 18 November 2010 14:45:46(UTC)
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Hi George, Not being picky but the grocery shop you have listed on Jodrell Road was probably Mary (Polly) Mitchell's shop but this was on Jodrell Meadow (no. 67   I seem to remember). She sold nearly everything including fireworks, Mitchell's penny swizzes. Her husband, Roland was the accounts manager at Britannia Wire Mill in Buxworth, he had a small hatch in the canteen which was an extension of Polly's shop. He didn't take cash at the little kiosk but deducted any costs incurred from your wages.

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#3 Posted : 18 November 2010 18:56:58(UTC)
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Canal St.

Haberdashery
Fish and chips
Sweets
Greengrocery
Chemist
 
Bridge St.
Children’s wear
Grocery
Fish and chips
Pot/shoes
 
Jodrell Rd.
Grocery
 
Beech Rd.
Wine
 
Market St.
Grocery
Accountants
Wallpaper and paints
Butchers
Bread/confectionry
Barbers
Ladies hairdressrs
Newsagent
Menswear
Chemists
Jewellers
Drapery
Cafe
Shoes
Shoes
Grocery and Greengrocers
Antiques
Fish
Butchers
Drapery
Post Office
Wine
Furniture/tv/radio
Bank
Grocery
Furniture
Greengrocers
Sweets and Tobacconists
Cycles and sports
Coal Office
 
Old Rd.
Haberdashery/wool
Grocery
Newsagent
Butchers
Ironmongers
 
Buxton Rd.
Café
Cycles
Gun
Ladies wear
Sweets
Butchers
Grocery
 
Wharf Rd.
Wallpaper and paints
 
Summary
2 Haberdashery and wool
2 Fish and chips
2 Greengrocery only
2 Chemists
1Childrenswear
2 Bread and Confectionery
8 Grocery
1 Pot
2 Paint and wallpaper
4 Butchers
1 Barber
1 Ladies hairdresser
2 Newsagents
1 Menswear
1 Jewellers
3 Shoes/repairers
1 Antiques
1 Wet fish
2 Drapery/wool
2 Wine
1 Ironmonger
2 Cafes
1 Ladies wear
1 Post office
2 Furniture/tv/radio
3 Sweets/Tobacco
2 Cycles/sports
1 Bank
1 Accountant
1 Coal office
 
(Perhaps Jon will please remove my first attempt
Now in order)
 
 
 
 
 
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#4 Posted : 18 November 2010 23:16:19(UTC)
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Does this not make you sad? The amount of good local businesses which are no longer around. All victims to ' progress' and the march of large enterprises. There can't be a town or village which is untouched. The French have a better way of dealing with this as they don't allow Sunday trading. Why we have to have shops open on a Sunday when they are open 14-16 hours 6 days anyway beats me.

Is there a way back? I doubt it.
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#5 Posted : 19 November 2010 13:17:18(UTC)
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Noted that there were four butchers in Whaley Bridge, 
 
I did a quick total on New Mils about the same time and personally recall –
 
10 Butchers shops (3 Coop)
 
 2 Pork butchers.
 
Looks like beef was more compatible with the family budget in those days.
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#6 Posted : 19 November 2010 18:29:43(UTC)
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Thank you for your responses, yes I think the demise of so many shops is reverse progress.We have to go out of W.B.for so many things both taking up time and travelling expenses. Thank you Mr. G. Jackson for pointing out my error in with Mrs. Mitchells shop, of course you lived nearer than I.

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Often over the years I have heard people say most of the shops were Co-op shops but I can only remember the following, menswear,  pharmacy, footwear, furnishing, wine and spirits, grocery, butchery and drapery, 8 out of 51 ( I make it). All these shops between the canal and the railway bridge just passed the Uniting Church. 

I am sure as we cast our minds back to all these shops many memories will come back, anyone like to share them.

As far as the oldest surviving business is concerned in the same family is Wild's butchers shop, unless anyone knows better, 

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#7 Posted : 19 November 2010 20:16:32(UTC)
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George

Does this bring back a few memories?

shallcross attached the following image(s):
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#8 Posted : 22 November 2010 10:55:05(UTC)
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Thank you for the photo Shallcross it does seem familier, It think it might be the shopin the photo I am hoping to attach but not taken as long ago, which shows William Wright (the Footwear retailer and repairer) and his daughter almost on to his left. The small boy wearing the kilt was Leonard Kinder (see the extract from the 1891 cenus also attached). I have been told he was befriended by Dr. Allen senior who was scottish, maybe that accounts for the kilt. I estimate the photo was taken about 1899. William Wright died in 1909 and his daughter Hannah Wright carried on the business into the 1920's.

Mr. and Mrs. Leighton and their son Malcolm took over until 1928 when Mr. Leighton died leaving Malcolm and his mother to to carry on. Malcolm, better known as Mac.and his wife took over in 1932 and were there until 1973.

 The next owners only managed to last 30 years before they were worn out, not 40 years as the two previous owners had each managed. 

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#9 Posted : 22 November 2010 21:01:40(UTC)
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Fantastic photo, photographs like this are so difficult to identify when they turn up, so the fact that you can tell us where and who is on it is great information.

Here is another of my relatives Harold Roome Fishmonger a little further along Market Street once again in the fifties early sixties.

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#10 Posted : 22 November 2010 21:17:18(UTC)
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Harold Roome wouldn't change over to the "new money" when we went decimal in the 70s. A few weeks after change over day I went into

Harlod's shop and asked for a pair of kippers. He wrapped them up and said "One and tenpence halfpenny". It had taken me a few weeks to

get used to the new cash and I had to think if his demand was less than the new 10 pence or not. When I decided that it was I

gave him the 10p coin and he gave me an old penny and an old halfpenny, both usless to anyone. I suppose when he got rid of all his old

coppers he finally packed the shop in but it was many weeks after change-over day. G.J.

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Piccy from post #9

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#12 Posted : 22 November 2010 21:47:04(UTC)
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Harold was not one for change, he could be seen every morning at the station collecting the fresh fish etc off the early train, wearing his straw boater and his cart with which he wheeled the goods over to the shop for the days trade, I have a photo somewhere of him relaxing in the back room of the shop, just have to find it! Harold Roome came from Macclesfield and there was until a couple of years ago a Roomes Fish shop on Saddlergate in Derby which was a part of the family but thats gone now.

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#13 Posted : 23 November 2010 08:31:38(UTC)
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Sorry George,
 
But your posting of the 1891 Census page is causing the viewing problem for this string.
 
It measures 2338 pixels wide the maximum for width is 680 pixels if it is to fit on screen.
 
I would fix it for you George but I am not permitted to post images, if you care to tell us what software you use to prepare your pictures with I will be pleased to advise.
 
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#14 Posted : 23 November 2010 08:44:54(UTC)
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Hi

Here is George's picture made smaller and a bit clearer. Maybe a Mod or George will replace his, but not a big problem, don't worry George.

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Plus George's Photo.

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There you are Norm thought you had run away…. You do know I hope that RS-S and Buggyite are somewhere in Mississippi looking for you?
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Hi

Thank you to who ever sorted the width out,

As for Mississipi, who knows what that is about. So early in the day as well.

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#18 Posted : 24 November 2010 15:16:40(UTC)
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Thank you** for your comments and norm for sorting out the shop photo and census extract plus the guidence on the general discussion section.

The Amenity Society's book "Whaley Bridge in the mid-nineteenth century" and the update by Nye Rowlands (on sale at Footsteps) show William wright as an overseerer of the poor fund in 1880, (if my memory is correct). He made boots and shoes in the basement. He was also a Quaker and a story goes that on Sunday mornings he went round to local farms witnessing. On one Sunday as he returned he saw a man he knew going in the Railway pub, he said to him "don't go in there Jack, Satan is in there". "If he is he will have to pay for his own" Jack replied.

In the shop window there is a advert for the noted K boot which shows he had a very early agency with K shoes. They started off as Somervill Brothers in 1842 and were also Quakers, this was before sewing machines were invented and the leather uppers were sewn together by outworkers in there own home and the letter K was stamped on the back of the pieces of to avoid substitution of inferior leather. Consequently K became their trade name, there aren't many brand names consisting of one letter for obvious reasons 

The properties along Market Street were re-numbered at some time because the shoeshop was originally no.10 and became no.14.

I apologise if this is boring,I can so easily get carried away talking about footwear.

george

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George that was brilliant, you can come on here  and write as much as you like. I'm sure that everyone will agree that  any information put on the forum is interesting and never boring.

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#20 Posted : 25 November 2010 11:30:59(UTC)
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A Whaley worthy I have been chatting with shared memories of Joe Bates (now the pizza shop by the pelican crossing) selling fireworks just after the second world war. When the shop opened at 8 a.m. on the 5th November people were queueing from the shop along Reservoir Rd. all the way to the park entrance. I remember an aunt of mine started queueing at 6.30 a.m. People could not choose which fireworks or how many, a selection was in a bag and it was a case of one bag each, take or leave it. Probably everyone had been used the kind of service during the war.  I suspect fireworks were only sold on that day.

The Co-op furniture shop was double fronted and was situated where Blyth House shop and the ladies clothes shop are now  situated. They also sold a variety of smaller items and radios and T.V.'s The first T.V. I saw working was in the window of the shop one night when they were closed, there was a small crowd gathering for a free show. That was well before the coronation, I expect they were trying to wet peoples appetite to buy one as there was a boost in demand to have one on that day. 

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